News elevating negative social media responses by nobodies.

Chew Toy McCoy

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I see this happening on both sides. There will be some post on social media and it appears news organizations will sift through all the responses until they find negative responses that fit some stereotypical ideology and then write an article about it posting the responses with an undertone of "this entire left/right group thinks like this". Social justice warriors, cancel culture, 2nd amendment supporters, Trump supporters, human traffickers, opium farmers, etc.

I'm 47 so I am far from knowing who most of the big celebrities and movement leaders are, but that doesn't seem to be what is going on here. Its just random nobodies with very little influence spouting off that serves to support clickbait and unfortunately the article gets read as a all encompassing truth about a group of people or entire side of the isle. Next thing you know after accidentally walking into the ladies room in a dark club hallway Drake writes a lengthy heartfelt apology to the MeToo movement because a handful of nobodies on social media overreacted to the incident (possibly even as a satirical joke) and it blew up into a major international news story.

So along with fake news we now have not news being news.
 
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I see this happening on both sides. There will be some post on social media and it appears news organizations will sift through all the responses until they find negative responses that fit some stereotypical ideology and then write an article about it posting the responses with an undertone of "this entire left/right group thinks like this". Social justice warriors, cancel culture, 2nd amendment supporters, Trump supporters, human traffickers, opium farmers, etc.

I'm 47 so I am far from knowing who most of the big celebrities and movement leaders are, but that doesn't seem to be what is going on here. Its just random nobodies with very little influence spouting off that serves to support clickbait and unfortunately the article gets read as a all encompassing truth about a group of people or entire side of the isle. Next thing you know after accidentally walking into the ladies room in a dark club hallway Drake writes a lengthy heartfelt apology to the MeToo movement because a handful of nobodies on social media overreacted to the incident (possibly even as a satirical joke) and it blew up into a major international news story.

So along with fake news we now have not news being news.
Nothing's more ridiculous when someone tries to sell a bouquet of hand picked tweets as journalism. I hate twitter.
 

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Nothing's more ridiculous when someone tries to sell a bouquet of hand picked tweets as journalism. I hate twitter.
I'm willing to bet a huge percentage of people are getting "news" from Twitter who don't even use Twitter. The crap just gets reposted everywhere, including here. I'm not attacking users here who do it, but I think discussions would be in a way different place if the only way you could view or reference tweets is if you were actually on Twitter.

Facebook posts are less guilty of spreading disinformation outside Facebook because as far as I know you can't read posts if you aren't a member. At best somebody could say "I read on Facebook" and as a reader you can just drop your interest based on that. Twitter lets you repost things everywhere.
 

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It’s just another version of “some say,” which is the lowest form of proof known to humankind. Because in any sufficiently large sampling, there will be a range of opinions spanning the political spectrum, allowing ANY position to find support with “some” other people.
 

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Nothing's more ridiculous when someone tries to sell a bouquet of hand picked tweets as journalism. I hate twitter.
I almost always spike those stories from the news budget. I'd say always, but I once let some bright, bushy-tailed reporter run with an interesting angle on a Twitter feud, and later regretted the actual piece.

These stories are mostly worthless, and I wish reporters would stop using Twitter for pitch ideas.
 
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It’s just another version of “some say,” which is the lowest form of proof known to humankind. Because in any sufficiently large sampling, there will be a range of opinions spanning the political spectrum, allowing ANY position to find support with “some” other people.
Yeah, but now when it comes to reporting social barometer news its become All Fringe All The Time.

Another related disturbing behavior is the passive aggressive behavior of people talking about you when they're not talking about you, the whole "The left/right wants......" schtick when they are addressing you and you are most likely part of that group. It's like subconsciously they realize individual opinions are nuanced and complicated but they don't want to confront that directly and have an intelligent debate. It's a lot easier to hurl dismissive blanket insults.
 
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Yeah, but now when it comes to reporting social barometer news its become All Fringe All The Time.

Another related disturbing behavior is the passive aggressive behavior of people talking about you when they're not talking about you, the whole "The left/right wants......" schtick when they are addressing you and you are most likely part of that group. It's like subconsciously they realize individual opinions are nuanced and complicated but they don't want to confront that directly and have an intelligent debate. It's a lot easier to hurl dismissive blanket insults.
Agreed. My rule is to tell people what I think and ask them what they think. When you tell people what you think they think, it’s invariably a straw man argument spun to bolster your own position.
 
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Agreed. My rule is to tell people what I think and ask them what they think. When you tell people what you think they think, it’s invariably a straw man argument spun to bolster your own position.
Living in the Bay Area it's rare that I run into a Trump supporter, but when I do it astonishes me because it comes in the form of randomly just popping Trump rhetoric into a conversation and A). being in the Bay Area knowing there's a good chance I don't agree with them and B). just randomly rifling off uninvited political viewpoints right now no matter where you are probably isn't a good idea. I don't engage (because I'm a pussy liberal) and try to give off some impression I couldn't be less interested without being rude, but it's just another layer of being aloof because they also don't seem to care if I'm interested or not.

I don't want to be insulting, but it really is like they were guided out from under their rock by Trump's light and that gave them the green light to talk about their viewpoints with absolute certainty that they are right.
 

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Yeah, that's idiotic ... that would be like, oh, I don't know, the President using it as his primary communication mechanism ...
Probably worth clarifying.

A pitch idea is when a reporter wants to do a story that requires some investigation. I'm not talking about the daily follies that we have to follow—the president's tweets have become a "oh fuck, what now" part of our news environ.

Rather, a pitch should be something that digs a little deeper, and often, one based on a tweet is usually already known by our beat reporters.

So, pitches shouldn't be based on Twitter, per se. I've got cub reporters pitching to the editorial staff, and I get immediately grumpy when they say "well, people are talking about it on Twitter." Because that could be a twitter feud, a marketing scam, people discovering something my beat reporter nailed down weeks ago, or just fanciful bullshit.

Of course, because cub reporters are young, and inexperienced, I'll start asking if there's some real world sources. And, I might even send them some names or phone-numbers. But, I'm not putting a story in a news budget just because of Twitter.
 

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Living in the Bay Area ...
I grew up in Sonoma County. My folks live in Healdsburg, so I know what you’re talking about. I live in Humboldt County, and saw my first trump truck pull into Safeway yesterday, flying large flags on both sides of their truck.

These people have always been there. I’m no Joe Biden fan, but I thought he nailed it when he said he used to believe hate could be defeated, but now sees how it can be rekindled just by blowing air under the rocks.

We will never get rid of that faction in our lifetime. The best we can hope for is to shame them back into silence, knowing that their worst inclinations aren’t met with approval in polite society, and hope that their numbers continue to diminish over time.
 

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Living in the Bay Area it's rare that I run into a Trump supporter, but when I do it astonishes me because it comes in the form of randomly just popping Trump rhetoric into a conversation and A). being in the Bay Area knowing there's a good chance I don't agree with them and B). just randomly rifling off uninvited political viewpoints right now no matter where you are probably isn't a good idea. I don't engage (because I'm a pussy liberal) and try to give off some impression I couldn't be less interested without being rude, but it's just another layer of being aloof because they also don't seem to care if I'm interested or not.

I don't want to be insulting, but it really is like they were guided out from under their rock by Trump's light and that gave them the green light to talk about their viewpoints with absolute certainty that they are right.
I'm black with an accent. I'm the perfect repellent for them.
 
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I grew up in Sonoma County. My folks live in Healdsburg, so I know what you’re talking about. I live in Humboldt County, and saw my first trump truck pull into Safeway yesterday, flying large flags on both sides of their truck.

These people have always been there. I’m no Joe Biden fan, but I thought he nailed it when he said he used to believe hate could be defeated, but now sees how it can be rekindled just by blowing air under the rocks.

We will never get rid of that faction in our lifetime. The best we can hope for is to shame them back into silence, knowing that their worst inclinations aren’t met with approval in polite society, and hope that their numbers continue to diminish over time.
In 2016 I saw a total of 2 Trump bumper stickers and reflexively thought "That is a brave person looking for trouble". Same year on a freeway walking overpass on 17 heading to Santa Cruz I saw about a dozen Trump supporters with signs and thought "This is when the dystopia begins". I acknowledge that was hugely judgemental of me. At the time I thought Hillary was an establishment tool and insult to progressives (and still do) and Trump was a joke and general insult.

Trump has nothing to do with Republicans or their values. He doesn't appeal to just racists. He appeals to anybody who has experienced any setbacks in life and don't want to take any personal responsibility in that equation, people who feel just by being born in America they are owed a better lot in life. Economic evolution be damned, they are just owed better because they are Americans.

In some ways I have the same grievances they do, but I don't assign personal responsibility to a single party or politician. This is capitalism and both parties are the parties of that first and foremost. I'm not suggesting full blown socialism as the answer but there are many, MANY, steps in that direction that could help and capitalism would still flourish.
 

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I love Twitter. I have met some wonderful people from Twitter. I pretty much follow the journalists I already trust or watch on MSNBC. Dan Rather brings particular pleasure on Twitter.
Twitter is a heat map of peoples’ emotional responses to current events. And there is something to be said for a platform that provides that kind of feedback. I was active (post PRSI) for over a year before walking away from it some months back. Part of the problem I had with twitter was its tendency toward building communities that merely echoed your own point of view, partly by building a culture that saw contrary or questioning opinions as intrusive and unwelcome.

But at least I knew that the media and decision-makers were listening. And I appreciated the opportunity to push the needle a little, one way or another. Yet even that wasn’t enough to keep me there.
 
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I'm willing to bet a huge percentage of people are getting "news" from Twitter who don't even use Twitter. The crap just gets reposted everywhere, including here. I'm not attacking users here who do it, but I think discussions would be in a way different place if the only way you could view or reference tweets is if you were actually on Twitter.

Facebook posts are less guilty of spreading disinformation outside Facebook because as far as I know you can't read posts if you aren't a member. At best somebody could say "I read on Facebook" and as a reader you can just drop your interest based on that. Twitter lets you repost things everywhere.
Twitter is like the reality TV of the internet. No space for nuance. A bid to be the most over-the-top in a game for the trend.
 
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I love Twitter. I have met some wonderful people from Twitter. I pretty much follow the journalists I already trust or watch on MSNBC. Dan Rather brings particular pleasure on Twitter.
I tried to like it and I just hate it. Some colleagues recommended it to keep up with our research community, but at this point I'm pretty well-informed on who's working what through other more pleasant avenues (friends, google scholar, reviewing papers etc).

I follow Moog music, so the only thing that thus far got me excited on twitter was hearing Moog's new synth I cannot justify buying.:/
 

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I follow Moog music, so the only thing that thus far got me excited on twitter was hearing Moog's new synth I cannot justify buying.:/
Hold up, you're a musician/producer/DAW user? 😃 I write CuddleCore, what are you rockin?

On a side note, I know GAS. Just go with the Arturia V-Collection 7. I've been upgrading Komplete since version 6. I own a Hyrasynth (keyboard version) This serves as our secret handshake.
 
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